sometimes i feel like the tf fandom just collectively forgets that the disposable class was like, A Thing
it comes up so rarely (…basically just the once) that I could see people actually forgetting.
Super frustrating that we know so little about disposables
- they existed
- rewind was one of them
- they were treated as property
- they weren’t permitted normal energon
- they weren’t considered sentient until the ambus test
- possibly mostly small mechs or mechs that transform into objects that would be easy to manufacture? jk I don’t think there are any details on what classes of mechs were disposables
which is a ton less info than we got for cold constructed mechs/empurata & it was mostly all an infodump in one issue. There’s just less to work with. (WHICH COULD BE SOLVED IF JR WOULD ANSWER MY LIST OF 5 MILLION DISPOSABLES CULTURE QUESTIONS AND/OR WRITE A SPINOFF SERIES ABOUT PRE-WAR DISPOSABLES)
Tag: cybertronians
But imagine how much pressure medics must be under though
Like Cybertronians have the potential to be effectively immortal if they keep their parts maintained (unlike Tailgate stuck under the surface for so long v_v) Of course this doesn’t happen if they die from disease or wounds.
So if a medic can’t save a patient imagine how devastating that is. They could have had a countless number of more days to live their lives, but that all got cut short just like that
A more grim take that occurred to me as I was thinking about Primehood, though:
Do you know the idea of the sacrificial king? Books like The Golden Bough by James Frazer explore this as a theme in different mythologies: the king who dies and is reborn/replaced every year, as a sacrifice to ensure the wellbeing of his people, and who’s often the consort of a queen who never dies, but remains unchanging and eternal. And while I don’t know whether it’s ever been proven that they existed in the real world, communities where a new king is chosen each year to be sacrificed at the end of it pop up a lot in fiction and folklore. If you were chosen to be king (so the stories go), you didn’t actually rule. That was left up to various other figures: the queen, the elders, the local priest or magic user. Instead, you got to just kick back and live like… well, like a king. For a time. And then, at harvest or winter solstice or whatever thematically appropriate season fit the setting, you would be killed – sacrificed on an altar, defeated in combat by your replacement, run to ground in a hunt – and your blood would ensure the sun rose in the morning.
(I highly recommend Mary Renault’s The King Must Die for its exploration of pre-Olympian gods and belief systems in Greece, and the many variations on king sacrifice. I also recommend it for sexy men in eyeliner, but mainly the first thing.)
Now think about this in the context of the Matrix and the lineage of Primes.
We know Primes (at least the most recent ones) tend to have an almost compulsive urge to sacrifice themselves for others. We know that Optimus, in so many continuities, has died and come back to life multiple times (and Rodimus at least once).
What if the Prime was originally supposed to be a sacrificial figure? What if what powers the Matrix – either for real, or at least according to ancient Cybertronian belief – is the life force of its bearer? Over the eons, time and info creep erased the memory that Primes used to be chosen to be sacrificed after they’d carried the Matrix long enough, and later Primes considered themselves rulers for life. But the Matrix didn’t forget, even if Cybertron did. And it still finds ways to push its bearers into danger or into acts of self-sacrifice.
The Prime is not only meant to be just a figurehead, while his advisors rule for him; he’s meant to be a martyr.
(And some of his advisors might wonder whether that’s a more sensible state of affairs…)
An idea I had for the TFA universe is that the knowledge of Empurata and Shadowplay was lost millions of years before the War even started, with the descendants of the original victims becoming the Shifters. Shockwave is one of the few Shifters to have full knowledge of both techniques. He refuses to do either, though, as even he considers it excessive. (Megatron won’t do it either: he would lose Shockwave’s loyalty if he did, and Shockwave is far too valuable an ally for him to lose.)
*EYES EMOJI*
World-building Cybertron: Functional beauty
One of the great things about world-building an entire alien species and their world is one gets to redefine concepts we take for granted. Here I’m taking a look at an aspect of Cybertronian culture, bouncing off the canon of Transformers Prime and the background novels, and my question is, what is beauty?
We can all probably agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; it is subjective, it varies, and many different cultures and communities have their own vision of beauty. But they all talk about beauty. Its form might vary, but it’s still a concept of its own. Beauty is something pleasant to look at, something good and desirable, and in everyday context usually talked about as a set of standards: these are the standards to reach for in order to obtain beauty.
So beauty can be defined as a set of desired features, and those features are all something that (most) people within a culture find appealing.
Considering how Cybertron used to be dominated by an ideology “form dictates function” and how all of Cybertronians were classified into different categories, in the novel Exodus into castes. In Transformers Prime there was talk about “increasing inequality among the masses”, and this notion fits the caste system lore. So Cybertronians were harshly divided, and this system of seperation was also regional: certain areas of the planet were focused on certain types of industries and thus populated mainly by certain frame types and castes. During the War for Cybertron we see this regional seperation becoming the lines between Autobots and Decepticons, and for example Kaon is called “the Decepticon capital”.
So if castes (and frame types and lifestyles) are this absolutely seperated, it would make sense that things like beauty standards that are so strongly subjective and bound to the culture would also vary. Thus, Cybertronian standards of beauty are based on function: beauty is fitting the assigned function admirably. What the function to reach for is varies by region, caste, and frame type.
There are areas focused on raw industries and mining, such as Kaon, Tarn and Blaster City, and those cities are populated by heavy frame types fit for that kind of work. Kaon also has the gladiator culture, so the region admires strong warrior types and most likely favors weapon mods.
Crystal City is the capital of arts and science, and thus home for intellectuals and innovators. It most likely houses several very different castes that are practically equal as far as social ladder is considered, but still very different. New things are favored, things like fashion and decorations and self-expression, and there are several subcultures with their own standards and norms.
Iacon is the capital, and usually capitals house the widest range of different people. There are the richest and the poorest. The high political power and the upper class, but also a lot of middle class workers, business owners and merchants, blue collar workers, and also the poor low caste people. In a society that’s founded on compartmentalization and functionality, different classes are most likely divided into different neighborhoods. This means that Iaconian beauty as one easily identified thing doesn’t exist, but instead several different classes focus on their own and try to seperate themselves from the others. The only real common thing is to try to look better than you are.
As for other regions, there are most likely cities built around certain industries like Kaon and Tarn are built around mining and factories. Each city has their own mix of people and their own focus, a regional identity of sorts, and they are more defined than Iacon that is a mixture of everything.
So Cybertron has several definitions of beauty, some of them so different from each other that a bot from one region wouldn’t even recognize another region’s beauty as such.
For example, a great beauty in Kaon is someone big and strong who flourishes in the harsh environment, someone tough, salt of the earth type, preferably dangerous. For some middle- or upper-class bot from Iacon that beauty would look crude and barbaric since those features have nothing to do with the life in Iacon. Iaconian would be practical, middle-sized city bot with clean and shiny paint and some neat upgrade or mod, because truly beautiful bots can afford that and they show that they care. A neat and clean bot is a sociable one, someone who fits the demanding capital social circles.
Other regions are like this as well, with their own sets of functions, standards and lifestyle ideals set by the local culture, and each definition of beauty is unrecognizable to someone who’s not part of that culture.To sum this half-meta, half-headcanon thing up, I could say that my approach to Cybertronian beauty is function. Function is in the core of the culture of each region, and whether they like it or not that affects everything and everyone. Also there’s something truly appealing in the idea that beauty is indeed in the eye of a beholder, so much so that one bot’s beauty is ugly to another.
Headcanon about bond titles:
Conjunx endurae is marriage.
Amica endurae is like ultimate best friends.
There isn’t any term for lover or inbetween those two things and after a little musing with @noblestdecepticon and some swift googling on my part I found a latin word which means lover (there are many but this is my fav).
Amanti endurae.
Lovers (or more than friends) but not spark bonded, or not quite conjunx but more than amica
and it even begins with the first few letters of Amica as though it has elements of friendship and romantical interest as megs suggested.
“Hey who is that over there?” “Oh them? They’re my amanti.”
It just fits so much better than boyfriend or girlfriend if people don’t use pet names for their significant other.
I’m gonna start using this and /no one/ can stop me.
I would literally pay good money to take a Rungian personality test okay your xenopsych stuff is absolute GOLD and it just makes so much goddamn sense!
Ahhh?? You are like my thing?? Compliments??? This is TOO MUCH for my nerd heart how is this real *lays down on the ground*
No don’t even get me started on Rungian shit n o
actually, looking at optics colours from the angle of most disruptive to least disruptive — blue – yellow – red — it would kind of make sense that the most disruptive, visible, piercing colour, blue, was used by those who are to be seen; meanwhile yellow, being less piercing than blue, but more piercing than red, would be common among those who are seen but not noticed (assistants etc.); and red among those who are not to be seen. those whose work is needed, but not valued, those who don’t work behind the scenes but under them.
obviously it’s not that absolute, you got sluicers and miners with blue optics, senators with yellow optics, blahblahblha. but the idea of it.
jetandsilver replied to your post:alSO Decepticons and Autobots defecting to neutral…
I’M CRYING THIS IS SO IMPORTANTI’M GLAD YOU THINK SO B/C SO DO I
neutral Cybertronians welcoming warbuilds with open arms, providing shelter and helping them adjust to life where they aren’t in constant fear of dying
neutral Cybertronians going out of their way to help their kind, being trained specifically in safe recovery from mental and physical trauma and creating safe spaces for anyone who might need them, even if they later choose to return to whatever side they left or decide join the other
neutral Cybertronians offering the de-integration of unwanted inbuilt weapons
neutral Cybertronians not demanding any frame changes if the defector doesn’t want them b/c it doesn’t matter if they’ve got an onboard rocket launcher as long as they don’t use it inappropriately
neutral Cybertronians protecting warbuilds from their factions who demand they return to the war because it might be their duty and it might be their function but it’s also bullshit
neutral Cybertronians hiding defected Decepticons and fortifying their cities against the DJD and putting up such a fight that they leave to deal with other targets first and no one ever knows about those victories because they’re far enough removed from the warfronts that no one from the colony has anyone to tell and the DJD certainly isn’t going to mention it
neutral Cybertronians burying Autobots trying to get their defected soldiers back in so much legalese that it’s simply not worth the trouble to pursue them
neutral Cybertronians protecting their warborn kin
thedaringplatypus this is relevant to someone we know~
alSO Decepticons and Autobots defecting to neutral
some neutral colonies welcoming the new arrivals but most of them being understandably suspicious of their motives and refusing them sanctuary
warbuild Cybertronians, Decepticon or Autobot, not realizing that neutrality is even an option until the run into a neutral or five or better yet until the rest of their squadron is fragging dead and they get picked up by/crash on a planet full of neutral Cybertronians and being pissed that they never got the choice to not fight
Cybertronians built solely for combat being welcomed into nonmilitarized neutral colonies
warbuilds defecting to neutral and for the first time learning skills that have nothing to do with fighting