entropic-introspection:

Y’know, people have been popping Minimus Ambus into TFA, having been operating the Magnus armor the whole time, and that’s awesome and I love it and what people are doing but consider:

TFA has some of the most screwed up morally ambiguous Autobots. What if someone said “We need Ultra Magnus up and moving to preserve the stability of the commonwealth, and we have a loadbearer here…”

Gimme that sweet body horror of the Autobots literally scrapping Ultra Magnus and reworking his internals so that Minimus can pilot him for “the greater good” 😀

Autobots’ Military Structure

gonnaironyerhide:

EXPLAINED

For Generation One, at least. The Autobots do seem to follow a strict military structure. With references to officers, special operations units, intelligence, as well as various specialist in their fields. 

I am going to attempt to explain how this structure works and how many of the top ranking Autobots fall into and their actual positions other than the generic “officer” title. 

Let’s start from the bottom and work our way up.

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Enlisted personnel: E1 – E6

These would be your more basic soldiers. You’re “frontliner” if you will. These are the ranks where most of the grunt work comes from. They often have no say in the command they are assigned and are strictly there to follow orders and do their job. Not to say there is no authority within these position, but they are the most common. 

E1s are the fresh from bootcamp soldiers. Which Grimlock and his team would be. Making them the lowest ranking Autobots right next to the Aerialbots. Though with their own unique cybertronian military structure, the Aerialbots’ gestalt leader would likely have been advanced to that of an E6, without the usual preamble of time in rank and qualification tests. Same with the Dinobots’ Grimlock. As an E6 is typically put in charge of small groups, squadrons or units. One step below and actual Chief/Gunnery Sargeant. Which we will get to next.

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Enlisted personnel: E7 – E9

These are your Chiefs/First Sergeants/Master Gunnery Sergeant/Marines have too many names for the same rank. They are held in high regard and are positions of authority. They are often tasked with the real work of the . Making decisions and commanding the army on a more personal level than that of an officer. They take a direct role with the lower enlisted personnel. 

 It also explains why a seasoned veteran like Kup would take direction from someone as seemingly inexperienced as Hot Rod. As while a Master Chief/Master Gunnery Sergeant ( E9 ) is one of the most respected and revered of ranks. As they are titles earned by only the best of the best and only after putting in many, many years of service. Even a fresh to the service Ensign would outrank him. As all officers outranks all enlisted personnel regardless of time spent serving.

Also, yes Bumblebee is a Chief. 

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Warrant Officers: W1 – W5

Warrant officers are rare, as it it more difficult to become a Warrant Officer than any other rank. Barring that of the highest officer ranks. They do not hold actual sway over the direction the army goes unless it pertains to their own specialization.  Within the army itself, Warrant Officers are highly respected and revered for their skill. 

They are subject experts in their chosen field. No one knows more than they do about their particular topic. With Ironhide, it would be weapons. Meaning he is the point of reference for all things involving weaponry within the Autobot army. The same would be for Wheeljack within the scientific side of the war effort. Blaster for communications, etc. This explains that while they obviously hold authority and their opinions are so highly regarded by the Prime. While they don’t hold an actual command over the army as a whole. Though this does vary for cybertronians. As Ironhide has been placed in charge due to the high death rate of the Autobot army officers and there being a lack of qualified officers to fill a command role.

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Officers: O1 – O4

These would be the Junior Officers. Your Ensigns to your Lieutenant Commanders. Not much experience is needed for theses ranks and they joined by way of contract and specialized schooling. This is not to say those who have these ranks are to be disrespected. They hold authority over even the most senior of enlisted soldiers. They also can be appointed positions of higher authority than their rank would typically allow. Depending on skill set and how they present themselves as an asset to the command they are assigned.

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Officers: O5 – O6

Your Captains and Commanders. Captain does not automatically mean they are in charge of a ship. They hold that capability, but do not always act as the XO (Executive Officer) of a vessel. These are the second rarest next to Warrant Officers. Usually, they are the highest ranking at a command. With the exception of a Flag Ship, which the Ark arguably is. The hold the utmost Authority over a command. With Ratchet this would be the medbay of the Ark. Though with within the medical field reaching such a high rank is rare, meaning he would be the point of contact and set standards as far as all medbays within the army are to uphold. 

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Officers: O7 – O11

The leaders. Admirals. Though with cybertronian variants of the term. They take ultimate responsibility over the entire army. Their orders are not questioned and their authority absolute. With Fleet Admiral (O11) being the rank of Prime. Giving Optimus Prime a special kind of authority, though only during times of war. Where their call is the ultimate call, even over other Admiral’s. 

Elita-1 would be a Four Star Admiral. Giving her command over the war effort still ongoing on Cybertron. Then there is Prowl and Jazz, who fall in the middle. With Prowl being a three star and Jazz either two or one. This would make them report and be accountable to none other except Optimus Prime, as they are part of the Ark crew and the command on earth. However were they to be reassigned to Cybertron, it would still be Optimus Prime, but also Elita-1 right after him. 

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Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen: S.W.C.C

The all-stars. Especially the Wreckers, which could be equated to that of a Navy Seal. So when they have the lower ranked bots excited for the Wreckers, treating them like celebrities. It’s actually a fairly accurate representation. These are the soldiers with the strongest wills and best skill sets to carry out a mission. They still have to adhere to rank, same as the enlisted soldiers, but they are given their own specific commander. And when an enlisted soldier meets one, even if it’s only for a few minutes, it’s all that soldier will talk about for the next several weeks. (Not an exaggeration)

Then you have the HUMINT agents, the ones who gather the intelligence and spy. Though the army wouldn’t actually call it spying. Though they cybertronian equivalent would likely be called CYBINT. As this stands for cybertronian intelligence gathering. Meaning they get up close and personal with the enemy. Their identities are often not known. Though even an agent with a blown cover can still be useful. Especially if they have the unique ability to become invisible or create holograms.


There. 

Now, if there are any questions regarding this, mun is free to answer them. This wasn’t overly detailed, as there are special nuances to each rank, within that rank. Such as rates. Which seem cybertronians seem to differentiate from conventional norms on that front. There is no “science” rate. Though the officer’s positions being mostly political outside times of war they got spot on.

bossbotfiretruck:

agatharights:

bossbotfiretruck:

@agatharights said: Kaon apparently still has Trypticon Prison and a still-active gladiatoral ring…which is…curious.

I forgot about Trypticon Prison. (Which is a bad move on the Autobot Council’s part honestly. “Let’s keep all of our enemies in their home! Ah ha! They’ll never escape now! This will never bite us in the bumper!”)

And yes… the gladiatorial ring is very curious…

I wonder who these “gladiators” are… especially so close to the Prison…

And I wonder who exactly approves of this…

I was gonna say “I think they just use it for like general sports and autobots now” but oh jeeze.

…listen, I think what’s important is that we can all agree that Kaon is a scrapheap no matter what.

#god damn tfa autobots do not fuck around

No they do not. Not only did they exile all the Decepticons, but anytime they find one, they get thrown into the ruins of their former capital and are forced to watch Gladiator fights.

The Allspark only knows who exactly these gladiator are. Probably a couple of strong, “heroic” Autobots to represent the power of the Autobot Commonwealth, but possibly some unruly Decepticon prisoners.

bossbotfiretruck:

agatharights:

@bossbotfiretruck because you got me thinking about this.

Not gonna lie, the more I re-read The Complete Allspark Almanac the more I’m…kinda starting to think that the Autobot Commonwealth in TFA might be…kinda feudalistic? Or more accurately, whatever the equivalent political system where it’s military power = direct political power. Every Magnus we know of is considered the military leader just as equally as the social leader, and they all seem to have arrive at that position solely through rising through military rankings. I mean, there’s…approximately no discussion of actual voting or democratic conventions, and if there is it seems to be limited entirely to the senate- which by all accounts looks like it’s lifelong-held positions.

I wouldn’t be surprised if being “at war” constantly has been great for military-based leadership to continue assumed command long enough to be regarded as normal, considering how much of the actual social structure and economy seems to revolve entirely around the Autobot-Decepticon War and, uh

i

wait

is the autobot commonwealth a shogunate??????? Somebody who actually knows how politics and government work please help me figure out what to call this sort of political system.

@tinyfiestyrosiekitten holy didn’t you already predict this

I’m not sure. Here’s my take on it:

According to tfwiki (which cites a panel from Derrick Wyatt at TF Con 2009), “The Magnus has to answer to the civilian government, but their ability to actually remove an incompetent or reckless Magnus is limited.”

The Magnus is probably both the Commander-in-Chief and Head of State. (Kinda like the USA President, but without the extra powers for checks and balances.) After millions of years of war and a lot of anti-Decepticon sentiment, the Magnus would be seen as the most respectable, powerful person in the commonwealth. Its not clear how much control he has legally over the government or the passing of laws, but he might not need it. Ultra Magnus fought the Decepticons. He led us to victory. If you question him on certain issues, are you against the Autobots? Do you have secret Decepticon feelings? Maybe you should have a couple conversations with the Elite Guard to be sure.

Also, are you going to tell the guy with an army what to do? Probably not.

You clearly become Magnus by rising through the military ranks. As for the other Council Members, nothing is mentioned. It’s probably a similar “rising though the ranks” or “seniority” type of mentality. Probably not democratic at all.

Plus, there’s not much opportunity to challenge the government. You might be able to petition some stuff, but you’re either with the Autobots or against them. There’s a reason they constantly push the “Cog in the Machine” stuff.

However, who knows how long that will last after the Battle of Detroit and Sentinel Magnus’s reign. 

tldr: I don’t think Magnus has that much legal control, but considering his military power and the Autobot Society, he’s probably a hard person to say “no” to without political backlash. There’s definitely no democracy. 

I have genuinely no clue if that answers your question. 

Sentinel: I am your new ruling Magnus
Optimus: Well I didn’t vote for you
Sentinel: You don’t vote for Magnus’
Optimus: How did you become Magnus than?
Sentinel: The lady of the lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering silmite, held aloft, exclaiber from the bosom of the water. Signifying by define providence that I, Sentinel Prime, was to carry excailiber. That is why I’m your Magnus!
Ratchet: Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Sentinel: Be quiet!!
Ratchet: You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a scimitar at you.
……
Sentinel [shaking Ratchet]: Shut Up!! Shut! Up!
Ratchet: Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

lesbianedgeworth:

@ tfa please explain to me how the autobot high council works & whether or not it’s equal parts civilian & military

the magnus is the chairman & obviously ultimately holds the highest authority but alpha trion chairs the civilian guilds and also has a seat, seeming to hold a lot of (unofficial? official?) power, stating that the military ultimately answers to the guilds and not the other way around. preceptor, head of the science guild (ministry of science) ALSO has a seat & so does the head of intelligence and stuff so. what’s the constitution of the council. does alpha trion possess more fucking… votes then perceptor and cliffjumper as the symbolic and literal representative of the civilian heads of cybertron or what.

I think it’s kind of telling about the con and bot philosophies across TF media that the Con is about the individual and the Bot is about the group. Bots get Till All Are One and Transform and Roll Out. A sign of unity and a rallying cry. In all but IDW Cons get yelled at and their motto is YOU are being deceived. Not WE. They get an anthem according to Tarn but nothing to unite them with each other. Only against someone else. What do you think of this?

brandxspandex:

Optimus and Bumblebee, who together formed a major component of the heart of the Autobots, were united with the philosophy “we’re stronger together than apart”, while Starscream, who’s probably been a Decepticon the majority of his life, cringed at the same phrase and asked who the hell talks like that. While Megatron laid the groundwork for Decepticon philosophy as a miner, he refined it in the gladiatorial pits where strength and domination were rewarded with survival. Megatron emphasised the importance of dominance a lot after that, such as when he ordered Starscream to torture Bumblebee for the sake of exercising dominance over him, rather than for the purpose of gathering any useful information. He also removed the dedication to Terminus from Towards Peace so as not to display emotional attachments. Hell, the Decepticon motto “Peace Through Tyranny” is basically all about elevating one individual – Megatron – as an ubermensch god-emperor figure who brings salvation to Cybertron by exercising absolute control over it. So yeah, I’d agree that while the Autobots place more emphasis on cooperation and unity, the Decepticons are all about the supreme dominance of a powerful individual.